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Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.07.06 17:02:00 - [1] HAI EVERYONE I HAVE HAD A NEW THOUGHT WHICH WILL STOP SUICIDE GANKING _ ITS SIMPLE _ ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS STOP INSURANCE PAYOUTS FOR SUICIDE GANKER WHEN THEY LOSE THEIR SHIP _ THIS IS REALLY NEW AND ORIGNIAL I CANT BELIEVE NOONE THOUGH OF IT _ ARNT I GREAT>> SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.07.06 17:45:00 - [2] Originally by: Lochmar Fiendhiem It is really easy to do, add a clause to the insurance contract. "Insurance is null and void if you lose your ship to carelessness due to your own fault. As such if your ship is destroyed by CONCORD due to a hostile action in empire space, or from a sentry gun due to hostile actions towards a sovern state or corporation in empire space, you will receive base insurance payout." Then for insurance mails when this happens, "Insurance payment for ship xyz123 has been awarded [amount] due to its destruction. Because this ship was destroyed by CONCORD, as per the terms and conditions of the insurance contract, only base insurance has been paid out. Have a nice day!" Also add this clause "Your ship was destroyed in a war zone (0.0 system). Reports show you williningly jumped into a war zone without regard to your ship and fittings and so insurance has been voided." No insurance for 0.0ers.. IT IS LOGICAL INNIT LIKE THE CONCORD FING SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.07.06 18:07:00 - [3] Originally by: AxisKiller Edited by: AxisKiller on 06/07/2008 17:57:06 Originally by: Le Skunk Also add this clause "Your ship was destroyed in a war zone (0.0 system). Reports show you williningly jumped into a war zone without regard to your ship and fittings and so insurance has been voided." No insurance for 0.0ers.. IT IS LOGICAL INNIT LIKE THE CONCORD FING SKUNK Obvious troll is obvious. Don't feed it lest it bite your hand off. Anyhow, I'm simply going to restate what everyone else is, and that is void the insurance (possibly even ZERO) payout to people who get owned by CONCORD. Pay attention and stay on your toes and you probably won't get shot at. That was no troll. All the divs who say "snort A real life insuarnace company would NEVER snort pay out to some one who ramraided walmart snortpush glasses back on nose. It snort not logical to pay out for concord ganks" Are completly ignoring the fact that following this line of argument - no pirate, low sec dweller, 0.0 dweller, self destructer, crap fit user would ever get insuarnce either. If you want to nerf the suicide ganker insurance on soem bullshit "real life comparison" then fine - just make sure the other list of people get nothing either. Which includes people like your alliance, who dwell in low sec deliberatly putting their ships at massive risk of being destroyed. Im all for it - kill of insurnace full stop - lets do it. If not - stop the whining about suicide gankers and insurance.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.07.07 16:36:00 - [4] The next time some ***head parrots out the "no insurance for concord kills, snort* - its obvious innit" I shall scream until i am sick SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.07.07 17:26:00 - [5] Originally by: Balen Organa Originally by: Le Skunk The next time some ***head parrots out the "no insurance for concord kills, snort* - its obvious innit" I shall scream until i am sick SKUNK No insurance for concord kills. (waits for the scream ) SCREEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMM Skunk
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.07.08 02:56:00 - [6] I cant believe this post is on page 2... and nobody has come up with an answer. Ive kind of started forunmlating a new idea... it involves concord, gankers, and insurance companies in real life not paying out to ram raiders of walmarts. I cant quite formulate the idea but i know its gogin to be fresh and exciting and worth posting in this thread and CCP will pick it up because its so logical and give me like a faction ship or something - the logic boat. SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.07.08 10:57:00 - [7] Originally by: Gamesguy The BC(or BS)'s job is to simply agro some random guy and call concord to the gate, with concord on gate they cannot gank you and you can just warp to a station and dock. Whilst the rest of your post stands, this is incorrect - unless the gankers have JUST enough damage to do the job. The one spawn of concord will require one or two extra BS to gank the freighter then you would have done without the spawn called in by your friendly aggro pilot. I always thinkg a ganged command ship running armor mods would do a hell of a lot. SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.07.08 16:57:00 - [8] Originally by: hedfunk Hey, guiz, dey shud jus gt rid of insurence 4 teh suicidez, i meen you wudent get insurance in RL if u wer a criminal wud u? lol its silly lol dats my view ne way. Thasch ri! Is like real stoopids! Lhike stoopids do and stoppoids does Choclates HAR HAR HAR No Insrence for crims! 0.0ers! Peeps in wars (fw players)! Pirhates (yarr)! 0.0ers (who insures cars in real life who lives in lawless plaches huh! Oh and No insurance fer peeps in mhission hubs as is you lhook at map! Lots of sheep dies there no insurere in RL would inshur misson runner! O Is Rheasonable yes! SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.07.09 20:18:00 - [9] Originally by: Wendat Huron Easier way to go about it is to have someone fly an alt to each gate on the route ahead of time and shoot something to draw Concord, noob ships works, disposable alts works. Lame, hell yeah! Ther are FAR FAR FAR to many people in this thread who dont understnand suicide ganking and still piping in 1) The noob ship would be popped by the sentrys and no concord would spawn 2) assuming one concord spawn did magically arrive - then the one spawn would not effect the freighter gankers. They would simply have to bring along 1 or 2 more bs and still get the freighter popped - irrespective of the one conrd spawn SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.07.09 22:02:00 - [10] Originally by: Jarvis Hellstrom Originally by: Hertzsprung Russel Ship #1 : Typhoon Ship #2 : Raven Ship #3 : Raven Ship #4 : Raven Ship #5 : Raven Ship #6 : Raven Ship #6 : Raven Ship #7 : Raven Ship #8 : Capsule Ship #9 : Raven Ship #10: Raven Destroyed items: Cerberus, Qty: 13 (Cargo) Basilisk, Qty: 6 (Cargo) Dropped items: Deimos, Qty: 47 (Cargo)[/i] But of course (according to so many here) this is all YOUR fault for not warping to zero or bringing or whatever whatever whatever. Would any of those things have helped here, in your opinion? Oh, and as to risk vs. reward, the folks in question lost ten T1 fit BBs, undoubtedly insured. They picked up 47 Deimos, each of which costs 1.5 to 2 times as much as one of those BBs. Total losses - if those BBs were fitted with rat loot gained from grinding their sec status back up, effectively zero. We could perhaps figure in the cost of insurance but if we do then it would probably be fair to figure in the effect of the ratting to get the modules and the security status back up, meaning that before Concord fired a shot the op was running in the black. Oh, and they got 47 Deimos too. That'll fund some PVP ops for awhile. Ganking like this is awfully lucrative. Perhaps the answer is for the economic drivers to stop making warships or contributing to the economy? Good - gives the smaller haulers a bit of a chance to make some profit without being muscled out by the multi alt freighter pilots SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.07.09 23:43:00 - [11] Originally by: Gamesguy Edited by: Gamesguy on 09/07/2008 23:06:34 Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: Wendat Huron Easier way to go about it is to have someone fly an alt to each gate on the route ahead of time and shoot something to draw Concord, noob ships works, disposable alts works. Lame, hell yeah! Ther are FAR FAR FAR to many people in this thread who dont understnand suicide ganking and still piping in 1) The noob ship would be popped by the sentrys and no concord would spawn 2) assuming one concord spawn did magically arrive - then the one spawn would not effect the freighter gankers. They would simply have to bring along 1 or 2 more bs and still get the freighter popped - irrespective of the one conrd spawn SKUNK First of all, you cant just magically summon more ships, you only use the BC suicider as a last resort AFTER you had already jumped into a camp. Secondly, one concord spawn will easilly negate the damage from 5-10 bs. They switch targets immediately after popping their primary and they will neut/ecm/kill their target in about 2 seconds. You would need at least 5-10 more BS to assure a gank. 99% of camps do not have 5-10 additional bs sitting by waiting. Not to mention there's a very good chance your webber can lock and web you before any of the gankers can. 1) You clearly said "NOOB SHIPS WORK" - this (as i pointed out) is incorrect - as the noob ship is instapopped by sentries and therfore would not summon a concord spawn. That was the first glaring error in your post 2) The one concord spawn from your sacrificial BS lamb, would ONLY NEGATE ONE GANKER BATTLESHIP (or two if you are playing it safe) Certainly not 5 - as you maintain. How do I know? Because I HAVE SEEN IT HAPPEN. SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.07.10 00:01:00 - [12] As i said - this thread is full of idiots who 1) Have never had someone try to suicide gank them 2) Have never suicide ganked anyone They should all STFU and post about something they do know. SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.07.10 00:05:00 - [13] Originally by: Quelque Chose Originally by: Hertzsprung Russel Problem is that I haul that kind of stuff on a daily basis. The phrase "more money than sense" comes to mind. Precisly - So this character has been hauling and profiting on a "daily basis" sucking in oddles of isk into his wallet. Whilst I feel sorry for his loss - He was happy to take the plus side of the freighter (afk hauling of large amounts of ship for easy profit) but not the flip side. Im sorry that freighters are not riskless afk isk printing machines SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.07.10 00:08:00 - [14] Originally by: Danton Marcellus Originally by: Le Skunk As i said - this thread is full of idiots who 1) Have never had someone try to suicide gank them 2) Have never suicide ganked anyone They should all STFU and post about something they do know. SKUNK No you. Suiciders don't want their easy shit taken away and more than a few who have gotten suicided on has quit the game and a few more is too embarassed to admit they got had. I've not been suicided on, then again I avoid Jita and Uedama like the plague. So you've: not been suicided, have never suicided, don't understand the mechanics Yet you think your opinion should count for something? Seriously go and post in a thread about the Swahili tennis league or something your equally qualified to debate on. SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.07.10 14:23:00 - [15] Edited by: Le Skunk on 10/07/2008 14:24:30 Originally by: Lara Dantreb We managed to develop a strong industry in EVE afters years of dedication and thinking. Now : is high-sec freighter ganking is a threat for us ? No, we already found a way to deal with that Would high-sec ganking make weakier players and indutrials renounce to play EVE ? Yes imo Firstly - respect to you for the reasonable attitude regarding your loss. I would suggest that, to the contrary to your point though,that the more 'industrial' powerhouses like youself (t2 bpos, big wallets, massive production lines etc) that suffer, the more chances the lone traders, and the new guys will have in the game to profit. Presently, they cannot compete with people like yourselves who are already well enough established to shrug off a 6 billion loss. Freighter ganking provides opportunities for the little man. The little man safely and sensibly hauling one or two ships and turning a small profit. Freighter ganking is in fact increasing the player base (14k to 40k in 2 years) and putting more money into CCPS pockets. I applaud freighter ganking in this context. The ways to avoid a ganking are there for you to use, and have been discussed many times. I suggest people use them. SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.07.18 23:23:00 - [16] Originally by: Ashen Angel Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Empyre Originally by: Ki An So basically, Eve should have realism to a degree determined by you? i was thinking more in the way of logic, but choose your own adventure.. So it's logical to apply realism to the degree of voiding insurance, or even to the degree of removing suicide ganks, but it is illogical to apply it to the degree of slow, lazy and incompetent cops who you are able to run away from? Which means, basically, that Eve should have realism to a degree determined by you. Gotcha. Nope it's determined by the developers, not you I also do believe its not the developers "lobbying" for change by starting multi alt whine threads again and again and again and again.... etc No its whining "pvp flaggers" who KEEP bringing up real life "logical points" (its obvious innit!) about real life insurance yet then totally disapear from the thread when Ki Ann carries this logic to its obvious conclusion. SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.07.19 02:52:00 - [17] Originally by: Empyre Originally by: Likche "Suicide Ganking" is not suicidal. So when you're doing your little "is this realistic?" debates, quit acting like it is. can we get a gold star sticker for captain obvious here? How much did you lose when you got suicided BTW i cant be arsed to scroll back through the thread? SKUNK
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.07.20 02:56:00 - [18] Edited by: Le Skunk on 20/07/2008 02:58:08 Originally by: Empyre wow. what amazes me most about situations like these, is how quickly the defensiveness of some folks can turn into complete delusional regard to what is written. i guess what i'm trying to say is, since i've stated at least once that this was my opinion, that i'm touched you 3 or 4 so far here would start rolling out the proverbial army of reasoning to support your own. it makes me realize i'm on the right track. Well, you know, if you really dont want to engage in debate then perhaps you, you know, shouldnt write big 3000 word posts specificaly talking to people, quoting what they say and refuting parts of it? So the point we find ourselves in is: you have an opinion which you have stated you feel overwhelmed by the "..army of reason.." which is telling you your opinion is illogical and unworkable your leaving the thread? TBH - as someone has pointed out - the second half of this thread is pretty much just an exercise in forum debate - as the spit CSM have passed on their recommendations to CCP and the matter is ranked as fairly urgent in their priorities. SKUNK

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